Yes Mike, the image was hard to overcome. I never liked them that much when I was a kid in the 1970's, I was mostly into hard rock and roll then so this was not a group I was interested in. But you heard their music everywhere you went, so it sunk in. I first saw that documentary back in the late 1990's on PBS; and realized they were just extraordinary ordinary people, it was all marketing. I later purchased a copy. Changed my mind too, hearing a sober Richard Carpenter talking about it years later after Karen's death. She had such a rich voice that is uniquely hers. I only wish she was still around singing.